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Eh?? (Score:2, Interesting)
by whereiswaldo
(459052) on Monday August 25, @10:18PM (#6790494)
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It's no mystery why water spiders can walk on water. All
the engineers had to do was ask
these 3rd graders a question [harvard.edu].
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Re:Eh?? (Score:5, Informative)
by dollargonzo
(519030) on Monday August 25, @10:25PM (#6790547)
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it's no mystery as to how they stay afloat. the big
question was how they propel themselves
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Re:Eh?? (Score:1) by reboot246 (623534)
on Monday August 25, @11:04PM (#6790797)
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"the big question was how they propel themselves"
I would have guessed warp drive. Have you ever seen
how fast those little buggers can move? |
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Re:Eh?? (Score:5, Informative)
by thelen
(208445) on Monday August 25, @10:28PM (#6790566)
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The question is about propulsion, not weight-to-surface
tension ratios sufficient for flotation. This research gives a
better explanation of the mechanism by which the water
skimmers move with such great efficiency (namely by created
subsurface vortices with their middle pair of legs) and puts
to rest the notion that it is attributable to the waves
themselves created by a rowing action.
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Re:Eh?? (Score:3, Insightful)
by uradu
(10768) on Monday August 25, @11:25PM (#6790913)
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> The question is about propulsion, not
weight-to-surface tension ratios sufficient for
flotation
Unfortunately the article doesn't make that
very clear. They could spell out that the issue is locomotion,
not flotation. At first I thought, what the h3ll, it's obvious
that they're floating because they're not breaking the surface
tension. But then they kept talking about moving and skimming
and swimming, so it dawned on me that they're talking about
how the walker generates forward motion on a near
friction-less medium. That's where the vortices come in, quasi
as a surface to push against. |
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Re:Eh?? (Score:2) by extrasolar (28341)
on Tuesday August 26, @06:23AM (#6792297)
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| Pardon my ignorance, but WTH is a subsurface vortice and
what does that have to do with moving? |
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Re:Eh?? (Score:3, Informative)
by The Only Druid
(587299) on Tuesday August 26, @09:46AM (#6793105)
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| In oversimplified english, sub-surface vortices are swirls
in the water immediately below the surface of the water.
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Why does it even matter? (Score:1)
by HanzoSan
(251665) on Monday August 25, @10:42PM (#6790661)
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How does this help us built better boats or water
based technologies? |
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Re:Why does it even matter? (Score:5,
Interesting) by Fly (18255) on Monday
August 25, @10:51PM (#6790717)
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| It's much to early to tell how this will help us build
better boats or water based technologies. If we already knew
how to apply the technology, we wouldn't be researching to
understand the science of what makes it work. |
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Re:Why does it even matter? (Score:1)
by HanzoSan
(251665) on Monday August 25, @10:57PM (#6790756)
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IT said they found out how it works and applied it
in experiments |
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Re:Why does it even matter? (Score:2)
by Fly
(18255) on Monday August 25, @11:22PM (#6790896)
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| So you agree with me? They're just figuring out how it
works and how to reproduce it. Now that it's something we are
beginning to understand, it is a tool that can be used when
solving other problems, both theoretical and practical. |
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Re:Why does it even matter? (Score:2)
by mskfisher (22425) * on
Monday August 25, @11:35PM (#6790959)
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" IT"?
What the heck was that, Ctrl+M-I-T?
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Re:Why does it even matter? (Score:5,
Insightful) by Austerity
Empowers (669817) on Tuesday August 26, @12:48AM (#6791253)
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It doesn't matter, I'd hire this person to the exclusion
of his peers at MIT. Why? It's creative, I didn't think about
it, and I can use someone whose brain works like
that.
I can hire coders & designers easily. They're
a dime a dozen. I can hire GOOD -> excellent coders or
designers more difficultly by talking to friends of friends
etc, but they exist and are plentiful enough. To hire someone
that will build a rediculous thing that no one has really seen
before, carry that design through to completion, and make
headlines...that person I'd pay a lot of money to. He'll make
me filthy rich if I'm nice to him.
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Re:Why does it even matter? (Score:-1)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26, @09:15AM
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"difficultly" "rediculous" And
you're allowed to hire people? |
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Re:Why does it even matter? (Score:3,
Funny) by AntiOrganic
(650691) on Tuesday August 26, @12:51AM (#6791268)
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| I don't know about water boats, but knowing MIT
students you'll probably see these things floating in a few
water bongs. |
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Re:Why does it even matter? (Score:1)
by tchristney (133268)
on Tuesday August 26, @11:29AM (#6794336)
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We've already applied this technology - they're called
oars. The key differnce is that the water strider has almost
zero displacement, hence is able generate a large velocity
compared to a displacement hull. |
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Re:Eh?? (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 25, @11:14PM
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3rd graders aren't slant-eyed chinks, like these fuckers
apparently are. They are much smarter.
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Point of note (Score:5, Interesting)
by NoTheory
(580275) on Monday August 25, @10:18PM (#6790495)
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Actually there are several people who thing that MIT's
direction in AI has gone seriously awry. Marvin Minsky (though
somewhat stodgy), has pointed out that MIT's focus in robotics
is no longer on figuring out how to make things that do stuff
for people, but on subhuman gadgets.
So, yeah they may
be number one, but in a way, they've let down the old guard of
AI researchers.
Still, this is quite cool. |
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Re:Point of note (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 25, @10:24PM
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| Call me a spelling Nazi, but I have heard about your vs
you're and its vs it's. But THINK vs thing? Cmon! |
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Re:Point of note (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 25, @10:30PM
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Its spellt "Come on," not "Cmon," mister spelling
nazi.
</grammar nazi> |
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Re:Point of note (Score:1)
by Plac3bo
(651890) on Monday August 25, @10:47PM (#6790695)
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*spelled*
How many "spelling nazi's" does it take
to write one correct statement?
BTW, I won the Spelling
*Nazi* B in 1st grade :P |
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Re:Point of note (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 25, @10:51PM
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I believe you were trying to say "I have won"
The
word have is used with a past participle to form the present
perfect, past perfect, and future perfect tenses indicating
completed action. You might be good at spelling, but your
grammar certainly sucks. |
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Re:Point of note (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26, @02:49AM
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| You have to be shitting me. |
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Re:Point of note (Score:4, Funny)
by 1u3hr
(530656) on Monday August 25, @11:15PM (#6790859)
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| How many "spelling nazi's" does it take to write one
correct statement?
Why the apostrophe in "nazi's"? |
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Re:Point of note (Score:1)
by hippiechimp
(701132) on Tuesday August 26, @01:01AM (#6791328)
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| He probably confused the idea of adding an apostrophe on
for things like 10's, et. al. |
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Re:Point of note (Score:3,
Informative) by 1u3hr (530656) on
Tuesday August 26, @02:07AM (#6791625)
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| He probably confused the idea of adding an apostrophe
on for things like 10's, et. al.
Which is also wrong. You don't need an apostrophe before a
plural s unless there is some chance of confusion. There isn't
when adding an s to a figure, so you don't need one there.
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Re:Point of note (Score:0)
by hippiechimp
(701132) on Tuesday August 26, @10:22AM (#6793415)
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I wouldn't say that it's entirely wrong. Here's something
from the University of South Florida, St. Petersburg:
Finally, the apostrophe is used in one other
way. Although the apostrophe is never used to make a word
plural, it is used to make letters and numerals plural:
Although I received C's and D's in many of my college
classes, I always received A's in my business classes. My
sister received straight A's throughout her college career.
My score sheet showed that I had six 5's and three
4's. |
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Re:Point of note (Score:2)
by 1u3hr
(530656) on Tuesday August 26, @12:25PM (#6795074)
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| I wouldn't say that it's entirely wrong. Here's
something from the University of South Florida, St.
Petersburg:
Okay; perhaps I'm going a bit the other way just because I
get annoyed at the more common [ab]use of apostrophes in word
plurals. So my policy (and I'm an editor, so I get to enforce
it in my books) is to use it only when necessary, not just in
case. I don't think it is necessary for plurals of figures,
but I'll accept that as not wrong. |
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Re:Point of note (Score:2)
by 1u3hr
(530656) on Tuesday August 26, @01:33PM (#6795882)
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| Post script: here's someting from the Oxford Guide to
Style, 2002, Section 5.2.2:
Do not use the apostrophe when creating plurals.
This includes names, abbreviations (with or without full
points)... |
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Re:Point of note (Score:2,
Informative) by qewl (671495) on Tuesday
August 26, @01:59AM (#6791598)
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| Why the apostrophe in "nazi's"? Yea, you're also
forgetting that the question mark should be inside the quotes
there! |
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Re:Point of note (Score:3, Insightful)
by 1u3hr
(530656) on Tuesday August 26, @02:41AM (#6791719)
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| Why the apostrophe in "nazi's"? Yea, you're also
forgetting that the question mark should be inside the quotes
there!
No it shouldn't, as what I'm quoting does not include the
question mark. This is called the "logical quoting style". I
know many Americans migrate punctuation inside quotes
regardless of context, but I don't, and in British style it is
standard. |
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Re:Point of note (Score:1)
by Zarquon
(1778) on Tuesday August 26, @02:26PM (#6796528)
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Blame the MLA.. it specifies punction go inside quotations
and parens, even if it does not logically belong
there.
Then blame the school system for insisting on
using it. |
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Re:Point of note (Score:2)
by Gorbie
(101704) on Tuesday August 26, @04:11PM (#6797913)
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Yeah. And who needs spelling nazis when you have
punctuation nazis.
Next up...the sentence structure
nazis |
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Re:Point of note (Score:2)
by 1u3hr
(530656) on Tuesday August 26, @10:03PM (#6801195)
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| Blame the MLA
I'd never heard of them (I'm not American). Looking at
their site, I see they seem to be proclaiming styles for
academic works; if so deliberately messing around with quotes
for aesthetic reasons at the expense of logic seems perverse.
I go with the Chicago Manual mostly, or Oxford, depending on
context (British author, British style, etc). |
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Re:Point of note (Score:2)
by 1u3hr
(530656) on Tuesday August 26, @10:08PM (#6801217)
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| Yeah. And who needs spelling nazis when you have
punctuation nazis.
That was my point. (Though I'll happily join a discussion
on the finer points of punctuation should the subject come
up.) Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
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Re:Point of note (Score:2)
by Gorbie
(101704) on Wednesday August 27, @08:36AM (#6803751)
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| Sounds Fun! In truth, I was hoping to revive the memories
of sentence structure diagrams that are lying dormant
somewhere deep in the neural pathways. Cest la vie
:) |
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Re:Point of note (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26, @01:37AM
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die
--grammar nazi |
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Re:Point of note (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26, @08:45AM
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Is this like a lightbulb joke ? None. "spelling Nazi's"
don't exist and therefore can't write correct statements.
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Re:Point of note (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 25, @10:48PM
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It's "spelled" in U.S. English and "spelt"
in traditional English.
Perhaps you should consider
spell-checking your posts before correcting someone. |
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Re:Point of note (Score:0, Funny)
by The Spelling
Nazi (619562) on Tuesday August 26, @12:04AM (#6791088)
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Call me a spelling Nazi, but...
Hey, are
you trying to impersonate me or something? No words for
you! Come back 1 year! |
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Re:Point of note (Score:3, Insightful)
by Dachannien (617929)
on Monday August 25, @10:24PM (#6790540)
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As one of many in the "new guard" of AI researchers, I say
that Minsky's ideas, while important in their historical
perspective, overshadow the vast possibilities of artificial
and computational intelligence by overemphasizing their
importance due to the fame and mystique surrounding the name
"Minsky".
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Re:Point of note (Score:5, Insightful)
by dollargonzo
(519030) on Monday August 25, @10:30PM (#6790572)
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problem is, minsky spends too much time debunking good
theory than creating new ones. let's take an example. minsky
proved that 2-layer neural networks were not capable of
generalizing to many tasks. the proof is indeed notable, but
then came *gasp* three layer neural networks, and minsky's
point was irrelevant. i think he is just pissed that his ideas
were mostly abandoned by AI researchers.
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Re:Point of note (Score:2, Insightful)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 25, @11:10PM
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I love /.! At least this poster has the
general idea if not the details.
Minsky said that a
single layer perceptron (just a linear discriminator) could
not learn XOR. If you plot a 2-input XOR it's obviously not
linearly separable. And it's not just the extra layers but
rather the activation function at each perceptron that had to
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Re:Point of note (Score:2,
Interesting) by NoTheory (580275) on
Monday August 25, @11:35PM (#6790961)
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This is a reply to the above two posts
as someone
who's interested in computational neurodynamics, i've got
ambivielent feelings about alot of the stuff minsky says, but
i can't help but sympathize with him to some degree on this
subject. Robots are cool, robots are useful, but the stuff
that comes out of MIT's AI lab, has lost focus on the original
goal of what he and the pioneers of the area were
after.
Heading off in a different direction isn't bad,
in fact, i think a lot of these devices are quite interesting,
but take just one of these two paths to the neglect of the
other seems kind of sucky. So, i disagree that with minsky
that this stuff is useless, but i agree with him that it's a
shame that the people working (loosely) on the computational
problems about the mind/brain aren't in MIT engineering
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Re:Point of note (Score:2,
Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August
26, @01:23AM (#6791462)
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I think some of your facts are wrong..
If I remember correctly Minsky showed that a two layer
linear neural network is not very capapable recognizer
(and two 2-layer linear networks == one 2-layer linear neural
network,(matrices: AB = C)). From which he made the wrong
assumption that neural networks with non-linear neural
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Re:Point of note (Score:2)
by marko123
(131635) on Tuesday August 26, @02:35AM (#6791699)
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| Marvin
[safeshopper.com] Minsky when he is angry?
... sorry, wrong Marvin. |
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Re:Point of note (Score:2)
by poot_rootbeer
(188613) on Tuesday August 26, @11:26AM (#6794292)
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minsky proved that 2-layer neural networks were not
capable of generalizing to many tasks. the proof is indeed
notable, but then came *gasp* three layer neural
networks
Isn't it possible that Minsky's proof
convinced the AI research community to abandon development of
2-layer networks and move forward into 3-layer
networks?
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Re:Point of note (Score:3, Insightful)
by femto
(459605) on Tuesday August 26, @11:16PM (#6801561)
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| Why is it that so few people realise the value in proving
something to be false?
The research/reward system discriminates against those who
debunk myths. If you prove something to be false you can't
patent it and make a pot of money off it. Meanwhile, your hard
work has eliminated 'red herrings' allowing others to advance
more quickly. Those 'successful' people then take out patents,
arrived at more quickly as a consequence of your results, and
prevent you from reaping the fruits of your own labour.
To add insult to injury, other (small minded?) people then
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Re:Point of note (Score:2)
by dollargonzo
(519030) on Wednesday August 27, @09:16AM (#6804012)
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i wholeheartedly agree with you, except for the fact that
minsky's proof was done not out of good will to the AI
community, but to try to show that what he was doing was
useful, and what they were doing was pointless.
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You make a good point, namely
(Score:-1, Troll) by dh003i (203189) <mailto:heinrich@[%20]hester.rr.com%20['roc'%20in%20gap]>
on Monday August 25, @10:35PM (#6790612)
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| how the fuck is MIT making a robo-strider going to help
anyone? |
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Re:You make a good point, namely
(Score:5, Insightful) by SoupIsGoodFood_42
(521389) on Monday August 25, @10:45PM (#6790682)
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| How the fuck is splitting an atom going to help anyone?
You see, science is not about only making big breakthoughs
on things in you direct field of interest. A lot of it is
small discoveries, that are used down the road in ways that
people didn't think of when they made the discovery.
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Re:You make a good point, namely
(Score:5, Funny) by marko123 (131635) on
Monday August 25, @11:15PM (#6790863)
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...small discoveries, that are used down the road in
ways that people didn't think of...
Excellent
point. Sex toys and porn were not on the minds of the
engineers when they were developing their respective
techn...
Awwr, who the hell am I trying to kid? |
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Re:You make a good point, namely
(Score:2) by leifm (641850) <leifmyers@@@comcast...net>
on Tuesday August 26, @11:10AM (#6794090)
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| That's exactly what someone was thinking when the multi
angle feature of DVD was designed. |
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Re:You make a good point, namely
(Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26,
@12:25AM (#6791175)
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| Perhaps the atom is infinitely divisible. A problem better
left to theorectical speculation than experimentation. |
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Re:You make a good point, namely
(Score:2) by I Want GNU!
(556631) on Tuesday August 26, @01:18AM (#6791425)
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How the fuck is splitting an atom going to help
anyone? Well, nuclear fission, which involves
splitting uranium atoms, generates massive amounts of cheap
electricity in nuclear power plants. Downsides of this are
that nuclear energy are not sustainable, waste disposal can be
a pain, and badly run plants can lead to accidents. But, I
think that nuclear power plants have surely helped economies
of several industrialized nations in the past. |
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I think you missed my point. (Score:2)
by SoupIsGoodFood_42
(521389) on Tuesday August 26, @01:41AM (#6791531)
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| I'm not commenting on how good nuclar energy is. In fact
I'm not the biggest fan of it myself. And more has come from
atomic research that just nuclear energy and weapons.
When Rutherford split the atom, he said that the amount of
energy that you'd get out of it would be so little, that it
wouldn't be worth it. Plus I don't think the idea of X-ray
machines popped into his head straight after he split it
either. Both X-rays and nuclear energy came after, by
differnt people. At the time the atom was split, it probably
didn't mean much to anyone, there were no immediate benifits,
some people probably saw it as pointless research. |
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good point (Score:2) by dh003i (203189) <mailto:heinrich@[%20]hester.rr.com%20['roc'%20in%20gap]>
on Tuesday August 26, @12:35PM (#6795186)
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but still, to give such a high honor to such a useless
invention is silly.
PS: How is splitting an atom going
to help anyone? I don't know, maybe has something to do with
nuclear power. |
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Re:good point (Score:2) by
SoupIsGoodFood_42
(521389) on Tuesday August 26, @03:56PM (#6797714)
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Re:You make a good point, namely
(Score:5, Insightful) by Fly (18255) on Monday
August 25, @10:46PM (#6790688)
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| I'm sure no one could possibly know yet. How is
grinding little pieces of glass to play with light and images
going to help anyone? (He writes while wearing corrective
lenses.) |
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Re:Point of note (Score:2)
by timeOday
(582209) on Monday August 25, @10:45PM (#6790679)
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| This story has nothing to do with AI. |
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Re:Point of note (Score:1)
by Saeger
(456549) on Monday August 25, @10:58PM (#6790763)
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| This story has nothing to do with AI.
Sure it does; robots and AI go together like
... chaw-gee and poe-gee.
How would you teach a striderbot to stride? Top-down minksy
style? Or bottom-up adaptive genetic-alg style?
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Re:Point of note (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 25, @10:48PM
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| Rome wasn't built in a day and neither were human
cognitive capabilities. |
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Re:Point of note (Score:2)
by lawpoop
(604919) on Monday August 25, @10:50PM (#6790711)
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| How about the fact that AI from a top-down approach (i.e.
trying to make a human-like brain) has been failing miserably
for the past 50 years, and that building small, simple things
has been pretty successful, and is the very mechanism that
nature used to make the human brain (making small, incremental
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Re:Point of note (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 25, @11:00PM
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Pretty successful? You obviously don't know much about
robotics research. Do you think Mark Tilden is a god? How
about Rodney Brooks?
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Re:Point of note (Score:1)
by cemaco
(665884) on Monday August 25, @11:38PM (#6790975)
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Making computers think like people is overrated. We
already have something that can do that! Us....
Devices
with less complex intelligences modeled on insects, could
carry out simple orders and report back. That kind of thing
could be useful, would be less frocked with dangers and more
likely to be achieved in the near future.
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Re:Point of note (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26, @01:50AM
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Understanding how brain works at the signal
processing/mathematical level and how emergent features such
as self-organizing and learning etc. happens is very
important.
- Human brain is the best AI which we know
- Imporved medical treatments
- Brain implants: for medical purposes and extending
limits of brain
- Because of the evolution the way the computation is done
in brain is probably: highly error tolerant, effiecient both
in terms of computational resources and used energy.
- Advances in the theory (mathematical models) and
practice (measuring how brain works) have been promising
during 90s
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what's the research about again?
(Score:5, Interesting) by jonbrewer (11894) * on
Monday August 25, @11:47PM (#6791019)
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several people who thing that MIT's direction in AI has
gone seriously awry
What does this have to do with
AI?
The research reported on is primarily about fluid
dynamics. Robostrider is a catchy thing they've created to
bring attention to the important findings. In fact, seeing as
the strider
[mit.edu] is powered by a rubber band, not only does it not
have anything to do with AI, it has nothing to do with
robotics either.
This doesn't mean it's not wicked
cool.
For more cool (without downloading a video),
check out david hu's beautiful strider
pics [mit.edu].
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Re:Point of note (Score:1)
by ashultz
(141393) on Tuesday August 26, @05:10PM (#6798753)
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Hell, Minsky himself was a big letdown when I finally
took his class. Guy had a good idea once. He still has it.
Now... what?
Not that I'm really excited by a lot of
the AI lab projects, but Minsky no longer gets to criticize
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Hmm (Score:-1, Offtopic) by
batkins (602341) on
Monday August 25, @10:19PM (#6790497)
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| How about a Beowulf cluster of Robostriders? |
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Re:Hmm (Score:1) by PetWolverine
(638111) on Monday August 25, @10:35PM (#6790610)
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| Can you run Linux on it? Or to echo a recent Ask
/., can you run Mac OS X on it? |
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Re:Hmm (Score:0) by
Anonymous Coward on Monday August 25, @11:07PM (#6790815)
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How about a Beowulf cluster of AOL Sued For Over-Zealous
Blocking?!
Oops... posted under wrong article.
I
mean a Beowulf cluster of Infrared Telescopes! I mean a
Beowulf cluster of Light Bulb Replacements! I mean a
Beowulf cluster of MIT Robot that Walks On Water!
I
like Beowulf clusters there cool I wanna make a Beowulf
cluster out of CEREAL!, the less suitable the cereal is for
networking/processing the cooler it is (eg. soggy raisin bran
more cooler than shreddies)! I uh... I uh... ugh I've become a
troll! Sorries.
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Re:Hmm (Score:2) by AntiOrganic
(650691) on Tuesday August 26, @12:42AM (#6791224)
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1. Create Beowolf cluster of Robostriders 2. ??? 3.
Congratulations. Your posts are nothing but a Slashdot
gimmick. |
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Re:Hmm (Score:0) by
Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 26, @01:07AM (#6791372)
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This "1,2,3" joke doesn't make sense! Oh wait I get it!
#3 is ironic.
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Well, sure... (Score:5, Funny)
by Faust7
(314817) on Monday August 25, @10:19PM (#6790500)
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| If the water's polluted enough, anyone can walk on it.
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Re:Well, sure... (Score:2)
by robbyjo
(315601) on Monday August 25, @11:14PM (#6790853)
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If the water's polluted enough, anyone can walk on
it.
Yeah, like after pouring a decent amount of concrete mix in
it...
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Re:Well, sure... (Score:1)
by etresoft
(698962) on Tuesday August 26, @10:07AM (#6793280)
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| It sounds like someone knows MIT or at least has taken a
stroll along the Charles river. |
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